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Unless he gets significantly better, if he's the cornerstone of the defense, the team is screwed

Right about perfect. That's the going rate for a second pair guy, and he's a very good one, and that should be a still in a few years.

What are you takling about? In his two years here during the playoffs he had a GAA of 1.75 and a save % of .928. Top multi year playoff numbers for any Wings goalie since his time here. Not to mention he handled the Hasek s***show of 03 pretty darn well.

Ansar Khan ‏@AnsarKhanMLive 6m6 minutes ago #RedWings sign Danny DeKeyser to six-year deal worth $30 million.

Either you aren't reading, or chosing not to. I've stated my point a million times to you. Literally almost all of these posts have been directed at you, if you still aren't getting it then I can't spell it out any better. My entire point has been about usage and ice time for players on the team.

goddam holland signing everyone to long term contracts but we like our team amirite?? jk I like it. Dekeyser's a solid player.

What are the parameters here? No Ott and Miller. That's easy. Tatar-Larkin-Abby Z-Neilsen-Vanek Nyquist-AA-Mantha Glendening-Helm-Sheahan Frk Jurco Dekeyser-Green Smith-Markenko Kronwall-Sproul Ericsson With this lineup we'd only have scrubs like Helm, Glendening, Abby, Sheahan, and Neilsen to kill penalties instead of Miller and Ott so we might be in real trouble lol.

Dude, do you not like the Helm deal or something?

1. "Grit" is also one of the worst-defined terms on this site. What is grit? Is it fighting? Blocking shots? Finishing hits? Winning puck battles along the boards? I'd say it's a combination of all those things. With the exception of fighting, I'd say all of those things are imperative to winning games, especially in the playoffs. One of the major reasons Tampa was able to dispose of Detroit in 5 was because their forechecking wore down our defense and forced turnovers. Additionally, they won a ton of 50/50 puck battles along the boards. 2. Again, you can't have a deep playoff run unless you have a reliable core of PK specialists. I agree that some players' effectiveness on the penalty kill is used to justify their position on the team, specifically in the case of Drew Miller. He doesn't provide much else besides his role on the PK. Very little offense, not particularly fast, and ineffective on the forecheck. 3. This is ludicrous. Games are won and lost in the faceoff circle. Puck-possession is the name of the game. This is one of the most bat-s*** crazy things I've read on here in a long time.

KH when he found out how much $$ Mrazek wants...

The corner stone of our defense for years to come, I like it!

Good deal. I think $5 million is what I expected.

A little higher than I would have liked, but overall I think it's a solid deal.

If you think being ranked #17 in the league and towards bottom in conference for goals against is good defense then I have no idea what to tell you. If you think our primary penalty killing player being ranked towards bottom of the league for goals against is a part of good defense then I have no idea what to tell you. And most of all if you think our defense is good without a top D-man (who by the way the Wings are looking for as they feel it's their biggest hole), then I don't know what to tell you. I don't know where you've been since 2012, but defense has been the biggest issue on the team. Scoring only recently became an issue when Datsyuk and Zetterberg decline this past year. We've been defensively challenged all across the board since Lidstrom retired. This is a pointless discussion and almost everything you've said lacks facts. And no you don't need corsi to show simple facts to support an argument.

If a 4th line plays as much as a second line, wouldn't that make them a second line?

I tried to make a trade, but nobody would give me a good player for Pulkkinen and a 5th rounder pick so I couldn't. - Ken Holland

Yeah it worked perfectly well the last season didn't it? I mean we were such a good team. We were so good that we consistently out shot other teams and also outscored them. Then we did so well that we ended up losing to the eventually Stanley cup finalists Pittsburgh. Ugh if only Larkin would have scored that game winner in game seven of the conference finals. Glendening basically had Crosby's number. He even have Ovechkin's number in the conference semi finals. And don't even get me started on how he shut down Johnson and Kucherov in the 1st round. Our savior Glendening always seems to keep Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Stamkos in their place. They like almost never score against us when Glendog is out on ice. All three times when Pittsburg destroyed us by wide margins last season (2-7, 3-6, 2-5) was just a fluke. This new strategy is the way to go. It's the way to win Stanley cups. Nevermind the fact that the two teams that won 5 of the last 7 Stanley cups have their top centerman against tough matchups (Toews for Blackhawks and Kopitar for Kings). Nevermind all of that. That's a dumb strategy. They only won because they got lucky. Lucky all 5 times. The best strategy is clearly to have your 4th line player play 20 minutes a night against Ovechkin and allow him to shoot 15 times on Mrazek. That's how you win those godam Stanley cups.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/07/25/wings-mrazek-far-apart-arbitration-date-nears/87528646/

David Legwand Jakub Kindl Fabian Brunnstrom Wendell Clark Yan Golubovsky Yuri Butsayev Jessie Wallin Jason Williams

When people post the same thing every day in multiple threads, I would say that answers your question lol.

Rosemary Grace was born at 9:10am this morning, 8lbs 8oz and 20 inches long. She's absolutely perfect. Mommy and baby are both doing well!

So glad the Wings filed for arbitration against Mrazek. Kid wants $5 million and hasn't even earned it imo. Smart move by Kenny. Seriously why would anyone be okay and criticize management for Mrazek wanted to get overpaid? Unbelievable. The kid played like 54 games last year and had a questionable end to his performance. Obviously management needs to be conservative when handing a contract out. You don't throw money at someone long term when they're inconsistent. It's funny because if we had signed him for 5 million for 6 years and he turned out to be a flop, the same people would be bitching about it 2-3 years from now. Somewhere in the ballpark of $4 million sounds fair for both sides.

Lol this article is meaningless. Let's ask a very small sample size some questions about every team, most of which they're inequipped to answer, and then draw conclusions from this data. How does this s*** get published? I'm done with this thread lol

It's probably a relatively fair assessment, but at the same time, this is the result of polling fans and only 200 of them, so the results don't really mean that much.

He was told not to bother by Stamkos' people. After the meeting in TO, it confirmed what Stamkos knew all along - he wanted to stay in TB. It's been all over the news and NHL radio - why is that so hard to understand?